The Perkins Platform
In its 13th year, this show is a series of expertly facilitated conversations with world experts in a variety of disciplines. These conversations illuminate problems, issues and solutions faced and considered by aspiring and veteran leaders.
The Perkins Platform
The Price of Nice: Advice for Saying What Needs to be Said
Award-winning Executive Vice President of Communications and Change Management, educator, and globally recognized DEI leader, Amira Barger joins us to discuss her upcoming book, The Price of Nice: Why Comfort Keeps Us Stuck—And 4 Actions for Real Change (out October 28, 2025). In it, she explores how “niceness” can perpetuate inequity and keep us stuck in surface-level comfort and shares four practical steps to help us create real, lasting change. With nearly two decades of experience advising brands like Genentech, Pfizer, and Kaiser Permanente, Amira is also a professor and globally recognized DEI and reputation management expert. In this episode, she brings her expertise to the table, offering insights for anyone ready to move beyond appearances and start leading meaningful change.